Minimized everything down and switched to a momentary key start. Do your signals still work with the TSM connector jumpered or do you have to rewire the lights to a different flasher? I have read bits & pieces of this thread. I have an inline spark tester on my plugs (brand new)and the light up on ignition and die when the bike dies. I have an 02 xl1200c and my tsm just went south. Same thing. so in theory because i am getting rid of a ton of stuff that has a fuse in the oem fuse blocks, couldnt i run a universal fuse block and find a nice one that mounts and looks presentable. so i borrowed a TSM from the HD dealer. Check the switches. Buy It Now. I can't believe it, I think it is the tssm. No problem Speed. Dunno. Once a problem has been isolated to a speciﬁc system or circuit, ... FRONT TURN SIGNALS [31A] BE MAP SENSOR BN/GY BN/GY W/GN BK GY TN/GN LGN/BN BE BK BK R/GY R/BK R/BK BK/R LGN/V BK W/BK W/BK GY R LGN/V W-GN ... RUN/STOP SIGNAL BATTERY +5V SENSOR PWR SENSOR GROUND MODULE GROUND COIL FRONT COIL REAR 68981-04. I am supposing that was part of my problem... EDIT: nevermind, I quoted something from last summer that has probably already been dicussed in last 6 pages, "I find your lack of faith disturbing..." -Darth Vader. (Off, on, momentary start key switch) (self grounded headlight with a high beam,low beam switch in the housing) map sensor crank sensor voltage reg and that's it. Do I still need to do the password reset? This modification is for 04'+ TSMs only! If you are disabling the TSSM (do NOT want a security system on your bike) then you have a TSSM installed now, HD p/n 68924-07. If you have 12 vdc to only one side, replace the fuse. Long time lurker first time poster. I actually just removed the front signals today. Glad to have you with us! I removed them first to simply tighten them inside the brackets but when I put em back on the bolt pulled the threads out on one side of the triple clamp. Collection of harley turn signal wiring diagram. I thought the flasher was what you are referring to as the module. When you say Security System, are you implying that all EFI bikes have some sort of ECM cut if the TSM is removed the bike won't start, or does that only apply if you have the separately sold HD Sec Sys installed? my buddy who is a mech at hd said i prob need to bring it in to do a re-learn? I went over everything and the connections are good and soldered. You have to start the bike one time with the tsm that is already password learned to the ecm/icm, then remove it and your good to go. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. C $102.33. My signals started to go out intermittently until they just quite working altogether yesterday. It says I can't give you any more Rep so I will Later I like the way you always Provide good info ! before I even got the new icm I plugged my crankshaft position sensor in my buddy's bike and it worked fine so I haven't replaced that yet. That wire is constantly hot, probably not good. Each one of such tips are illustrated with practical examples. By the way....I see it is your first post, so welcome to the XLF from Central NY! I jsut put the key and and go. I know it's an old thread but where would i add a relay and what kind if i didn't want to hold the turn signal button down all the time ? For 3 seconds then acts like it's running out of gas. Something definitely appears to be screwed up with the tsm. Thanks man just did my headlight and clutch wire.. works like a charm and no speedo it is. Taillight hooked up and working. I talked to the dealership he says a brand new out of the box icm does not need to be married to a tsm. one catch though is i need it back asap. Really appreciate your insight. 42 watchers. ... dealing with wiring problems. no problem. 4.5 out of 5 stars. Favorite Answer It sounds like you possibly have a problem with the turn signal module which is located between the tanks. I cut out the tssm completely and grounded out the data link. the neutral and clutch interlock switches which prevent the bike from being started unless one of these two items has been used is also no longer present. I think the first post might have solved my wiring problems I have been fighting for months. I pretty much just stayed with the diagram in my service manual. Thanks cosmo, its an 06 tc88 the 01 was a mis type by me, going out to try this now, again thanks for info, Thanks cosmo, its an 06 tc88 the 01 was a mis type by me, I think he means that this thread was intended for sportys 04' and newer....his is older (2001). My wiring is all modified but I have the factory connectors and all components hooked up on my bike. Cosmo Kramer always good info ! I won't delete your thread, I'll merge it into this one. So I went and cleaned and checked all ground locations and checked and cleaned my hot cable from battery to starter no issues but still wasn't working. if you have any suggestion the the S.E. so how would i know if that sensor is pulsing......take it in the get them to hook it up? I'll post and let you know if it works. I am trying to eliminate the tcm on a 2006 sportster that never had an alarm. All parts are sold AS-IS. Hey all! I assume that shouldn't affect anything as my lights were out before that and I actually got the rear to work for a brief moment afterwards. I'm pretty sure EFI does the same thing, but '03 and earlier sportsters might not because they didn't use a tsm, at least not like we've got on our bikes (mine's '04). And if anybody needs a really simple wiring harness for a 05 sportster lemme know. so now i can watch the indicators on the speedo and hopefully by tonight its running..the tsm should be good but we will see, the other thing i kinda thought about doing was seding my ecm and the tsm to someone for them to do the re-learn on their bike, then send it back to me already re-learned. I would unplug the module from the main wiring harness and test the violet and brown wires with your turn signals working to see if you are getting a pulsing / flashing signal to the module. I got my wiring harness pretty slimmed down already. Would be greatly appreciated. What year did all change? #1 Gnd, #2 +12vdc, power is good. Pulled the plugs and no sparky. I have an '07. Sick of trying to work the clutch, steering, throttle and turn signal at the same time. If you have a fancy multimeter you can pick which one you want. If you have any ideas where else I could look would be greatly appreciated. that is if i cannot get it to work, the other thing i kinda thought about doing was seding my ecm and the tsm to someone for them to do the re-learn on their bike, then send it back to me already re-learned. https://www.fixmyhog.com/videos/electrical/ Reply And as a matter of fact, I left my starter relay grounded to the frame (as opposed to being connected to terminal 9) during the whole process, and it still worked. Automatic Turn Signal Self Canceling Light Module by Badlands®. #5 +12vdc speedo input, #7 Right Turn command 11.8 vdc, #8 left turn command 11.8v There was not any output to blinkers on pins #3 RT and #4 LT. Must have been deactivated because it ran fine. :D I disconnected them by unplugging them at the harness. The original icm was connected and the bike was running fine for 3 years with all the excess extremities cut OTHER than the bank angle sensor, starter relay, and ignition which connects to the kill switch then heads to the icm which I bypassed completely and I eliminated anything that was in contact with the kill switch and ditched the starter relay with the new momentary switch. my bike is wired, minus all the junk. Ok, I'm a bit confused. I have one probe on the negative battery terminal and the other on the #9 lead, or more specifically on the spade connector plugged into the relay. Didn't completely trim out the wires cut em back shrink wrapped the ends and tucked em away. If I need to marry it to a tsm then it's off to market to switch that out no one I know has a bike that would matchup with it. i ddint know you would knock it out that quick and now i can get it before the weekend....pm me. The turn signal module (TSM) is an electronic microprocessor that controls the turn signals and four-way hazard flasher. Wasn't fun....but I did verify on my 07' the #12 position is above the #1 position like the manual states it is. This is the wiring diagram I'll be trying to use, so I'm not sure where that relay comes into play: When the starter button is built into the starter, there is no need for a starter relay. Power stays at coil even when it quits. Pressing the turn signal twice before starting the procedure is the secret to this whole deal, as it would turn out. The space the signal bracket took up only allowed the very tip of the bolts to grab and I guess I overtightened considering that situation. For 3 seconds... try it again and hammer the throttle ... she is in beast mode! Wir und unsere Partner nutzen Cookies und ähnliche Technik, um Daten auf Ihrem Gerät zu speichern und/oder darauf zuzugreifen, für folgende Zwecke: um personalisierte Werbung und Inhalte zu zeigen, zur Messung von Anzeigen und Inhalten, um mehr über die Zielgruppe zu erfahren sowie für die Entwicklung von Produkten. here is the link and i show the connection im talking about. Before, if I was quick I could get one rev out of the motor, but I can't seem to now. I imagine that I'll be posting some sort of result here once I get the new tsm. i cleared all codes didnt help....i tried the relearn again still no fire so i will call dynatek tomorrow cause the instructions make it sound like plug n play but it is not that easy. Would actually be nice it couldn't. Hopefully they have different manuals at the factory than what's available to the public. Also my initial cut and tuck of the wires was 3 years ago, When I cut out the tssm the power for the icm was pigtailed so I dedicated the power from the battery with a 15 amp inline fuse. Nope. Fixed Price $ 79.80 The wires are far enough away that they are not touching. I tried rewiring the bike running the starter relay from the tcm wiring directly to the ground. Welcome to the XLF from Central NY! Pushed it home and the black hole began. All have their own 15 amp fuse except power in has a 30. i cannot find a place for it to hook up, but also some of the wires from it are spliced into the TSM. The ICM will not allow the bike to start...it is part of the theft feature. Wish I hadn't soldered! You told me you were still learning about this electrical stuff, but I am seeing the case is quite the contrary. ... Harley Turn Signal Wiring Diagram. I have tested all my points and have proper power levels where needed. aus oder wählen Sie 'Einstellungen verwalten', um weitere Informationen zu erhalten und eine Auswahl zu treffen. i'm currently getting around it use latching switches, i'm sure there must be a way of using the stock momentary's and a relay. They used a separate bank angle sensor. $225.00. Too bad....could have almost got this back in the mail tonight but the post office closes in 13 minutes. item 8 TURN SIGNAL MODULE OEM HARLEY DAVIDSON & CUSTOM CHOPPERS 1996-99 MODEL 68548-96 8 - TURN SIGNAL MODULE OEM HARLEY DAVIDSON & CUSTOM CHOPPERS 1996-99 MODEL 68548-96. Does that seem right? 24 product ratings - SDC Signal Dynamics Self-Cancelling Turn Signal Module Harley Custom 01501. Thanks a lot Cosmo, I did end up getting running. Evo, Mileage Unknown. Interesting....but if I read it correctly you do not have spark after a few cycles with the dynatek and tsm hooked up right? Having the wiring wrong when you first put power to it might have done some damage. Tsm, but this is actualy a custom built bike, and was not going to use the tsm but bike wouldn't run soi got the tsm and still doesn't. Go to light it up a little struggle and she fires up and runs like a champ! 2nd 10min wait complete.....only 10mins left! Position #2 brown/grey wire sends power from the battery to the ICM....see if you have voltage on that wire with ignition on and run/stop switch set to run. well i tested with a test light and there is power but when i am cranking the wht/bk from icm to coil dims down i still gonna check with meter later. I am not so sure I am going to be as lucky trying to plug it back in! Thanks again for the help! Sorry for pulling up questions on a nearly decade old post but: I've taken apart my bike to hardtail (I know, it'll hurt hahaha) and stripped everything off. So the TSM scrap could possibly be an issue. Small 3-wire independant sensor. Unless you want turn signals, you only need it for 30 minutes and then you can turn around and sell it. I check the fuses a couple were popped (not sure which ones) after replacing the fuses she would crank but wouldn't turn over. Like I said before be ready for loads of questions when I start tearing into my bike. Im looking at this set of instructions at: seems like the ground signal to the relay is not full strength. Mike.....you are now treading in unfamiliar ground for me. US Seller. Awesome thanks.. Ill leave it for now and see how it works out with the hand burn before I start removing the wires. well that still didnt do anything so i was looking at my harness on the icm side and the only wire i left out was the datalink wire so i ran it to speedo harness but it didnt change anything. I am about to bypass the TCM and get another flasher and be done. The bike WILL start and run for a second and die. Thanks again Cosmo, I will test the grounds and see if I can test the inputs to that module. What the hell was Harley thinking with this stupid system? Thanks for all this info by the way it has really helped me out. Hello friends. You need to get a standard TSM and do the password relearn procedure before disconnecting the TSSM from the bike. My question in, how do I deal with the TSM if I'm not planning on running it? http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6105/6304230177_576f54b92b.jpg, Yes, just like that and I verified that to my TSM with the wire in position #7 which was white/brown. think it may be firing on one cyl but that is easy enough to track down...prob just a spark plug wire etc.....but it runs.....cant thank you enough....now i should be able to make smokeout this weekend. You Rock man ! I tried plugging in the old icm and i get the same runtime situation. Also, because of the issue with ground signal coming out of the module weak I just grounded the relay to the frame and I'm just using the Ignition, ground, and data wires. If you look at the link you'll see it even states this as one of the steps you take during the process. Has TSSM and Smart Security siren(I had no idea until it was chopped, didn't have key fob. Yes, it is possible for '04 Sportsters; that is what this thread is about. Shipping it to me will probably be a lot cheaper than HD will charge. I have a 2002 and it is a simple matter of snipping the white/green pin 5 wire. but it also did not have a siren or keyfob so im golden. Well Cosmo I'm not sure if it worked. But if the tsm is bad I can reprogram it to mine. according to the wiring, all i should need for the ECM to see the tsm and do the re-learn is the grey, black, and grn/violet......here is a picture of my set up. See if you have triggered signal to the module when you … I am doing this with my tsm....and I'll do a bypass on it just to make sure it will run sans tsm once the relearn is complete and before I put my ecm back on. We turned engine over with plugs removed and they fire longer than 1 second - tried for about 5 sec and they fired the whole time. The security lamp turned off as it should. my wiring is solid.....only thing i can thing is that i am not doing the re-learn correctly. I just installed a daytona twin tec ICM & no dice on getting the bike started! Well, the manual has steered me wrong in the past. I haven't tried marrying the new icm yet because I would need to rewire in the old tssm I just haven't gotten to it yet and since the old icm seems to work still and it ran fine before I'm not sure if that's the problem. How would I reprogram it myself? This is just what I needed. thanks a ton. using a S.E. The same's not true of my '13. It took me like 5 min to do all that and before u had told me i was already working on my bike for 5 weeks and couldn't figure it out. Cosmo what the deuce??? i will gladly pay you for your services....i am in GA and arent you in NY? It shows the components of the circuit as streamlined forms, and also the power as well as signal connections in between the devices. 4. At the beginning of this thread (see post #19) I explained how I did it to my bike and if you look at my info I have a 2007 1200N. Skip to content. I will be working on it shortly and let you know how it goes. I don't have any blown fuses and I can hear the flasher (little box in the rubber cover) clicking, but I get nothing. Have you ever drawn up a simple diagram for someone who just needs the bare minimal. my buddy who is an hd mechanic said bike wont run. I imagine that terminal 1 has to have power, and terminal 9 has to be connected to the relay for this whole deal to work considering that the procedure has yet to bare fruit. Here is the background, I have an 04 sportster 883 punches to a 1200 with alarm and key fob. I'm just curious something blew all those fuses when the bike went down and since I removed the tssm I havent blown one May take a little but I'll post once I get the resync achieved and check all my pins again. okay thx.....do you know a good source. cosmo, can you confirm that i can remove the light grn/violet wire (data). I have a buddy with a 04 sporty with no security system, could I use his then put it back in his? Is it a new tsm that hasn't had the password learn procedure done? The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM®, Sportster Motorcycle Electrical and Ignition, How-To: Eliminate the Turn Signal Module (TSM). Harley turn signal problems. Just want to add that if you bypass the TSM you will have diagnostic trouble codes present 100% of the time and if you are still using the stock speedo the check engine light will be on all the time also. I've been hunting for a used TSM to try out a few things and learn how these things tick....but haven't been able to get one yet. if so pm me your paypal. only 9K on engine. but all that wire does is send information from the ecm to the speedo and tsm, which i will have niether. enable signal, starter relay and serial data run through it (TSM), you probably should install it. i started a forum on chopcult. We are building a custom Redneck Eng. As far as I know, I don't have any Sec Sys installed. Awesome. the tsm is gone now but all oem stuff. Your simplified wiring diagram should work fine. When you press the right button, a 12 V signal is fed to the TSSM on a W/BN wire or a W/V wire when you press the left button. and the wires that arent going to be used that run to the tsm can be comepletely removed from the harness? your are a saint brother.....i wonder what the holdup was on my bike. Inspect the module, module plug, and related harness 1st. Have you ever drawn up a simple diagram for someone who just needs the bare minimal.Thanks for the help Cosmo. Good news...first 10min waiting period done! Remove your rear wheel splash gaurd to access. I'm guessing the alarm will still work even if disabled? :tour. That was on my '05. So I eliminated the TSM, soldered the ground to the start relay control, put it all back together and now the bike starts, runs for 1-2 seconds and dies like I hit kill. The speedo has the red key on it. 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